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Why are Russian lolitas, russian lolita, Russian child porn top google searches?

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    Hi Everyone,

    This is a difficult topic to discuss, but...

    As I was doing research into search engine results and what are some of the top searches that people make on the internet, I found in some search engine result statistics that some of the top searches in the internet for Russian topics are phrases like: russian lolitas, russian lolita, and russian child porn...

    (I of course did not browse those sites, but found these statistics about these search results on a search engine statistics website.)

    In fact, "lolita" is 57th in the TOTAL search results for all searches on the web, "lolitas" is 97th.

    This perhaps shows that child pornography is on the rise, and I have read in the news that Ukraine has become one of the centers of child pornography in the world.

    It's sad... perhaps one of the reasons is that Ukraine is such a poor country.

    I wanted to write this post to make note that child pornography as it relates to Russia and the Ukraine is on the rise...

    Sufipoet
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    I think those terms (words) are the most commonly searched topics because people seem to have an interest in "forbidden" things.

    Things which are not openly socially acceptable or perhaps things which are "taboo".

    I think the reason Russia/Russian is also being searched more now is because of the rise in porn with Russia or Russian as part of the title or subject matter.

    As Russia becomes more open and more commerce and travel occur there becomes more interest.
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    Wasn't there a big child pornography ring busted awhile ago where the headquaters was in Belarus? I remember reading about it and hearing it in the news.
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    Hi Mark,

    Yes, I think that you are correct that many people are drawn to what is forbidden, just like a teenager might want to try alcohol or drugs because he was told stronger that he is not supposed to.

    But, child pornography certainly hurts children and everyone involved.

    Ty... I also remember reading about a child pronography bust that had its financial center in Belarus. I believe that the credit card processing centers were in Belarus.

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    Hi

    Try the lack of funds at police in the FSU states. As soon they get these funds, they move to another countries.
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    That all happens because people over the world consider Russians as lower class, as animals. There is a differennce for an American to be viewing American naked kids and Russian naked kids. Yanks porn is horrorful, Russian porn is just fun.

    Some day Russia will rise from the ashes and Americans will respect Russians like they should.

    Russian females are the most beautiful, period. And you'll never beat that.

    One of my favourite moments in "Brother 2" movie is when the main character enters a romm where an American fatass is watching a Russian porno movie. The Russian guy just crashes the TV witha pistol blast and harasses the fatass. All those bastards deserve to be killed.
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    Not to get too off-topic, but I do think that Russia and its economy is on the rise, and that it will be a more powerful nation within the next 50 years.

    And yes, perhaps it is the fact that Russian police probably are not as well-funded as the fbi is here in the U.S. (the fbi is the U.S. agency in charge of dealing with illegal pornography).

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    HI Sufipoet,

    I just logged on after a while, and was pleased to see such the type of thought-provoking threads that I love so much:) This forum never fails to dissapoint.


    Western culture and some Asian cultures have a youth obsession and it seems to be getting worse with the media.
    There is a lot of pressure on women to appear younger and younger, and they are scared of appearing past their "sell by date". This results in teenage girls becoming anorexic because they are scared when their woman's body develops. Women as young as 30 are beginning to consider plastic surgery! Catherine Zeta Jones had surgery on the wrinkles on her eyes when she was 30.

    Then there is the all-round favourite in every culture of women's promiscuity. Men prefer their partner/wife to have slept with very little men, some expect her to have slept with no men at all i.e. virgin.

    All these seem to be regarded as perfectly acceptable behaviour in society: The idolisation of the youthful and virginal.

    Given all of this, is it honestly suprising that some men buy into all the hype and start craving even younger and even more innocent and virginal girls? Of course not. It seems to me to be a natural succession of everything he is seeing and hearing around him. Forget wisdom and sophistication- youth is what our society craves.

    As for "Russian" specifically, andrei may be right to a certain extent, but I'm sure many more men simply type in "lolita" or "child porn", and don't actually care which nationality of child or young person happens to pop up on the screen. I'm sure if you looked up any number of Asian or European nationalities, you would find a large amount of requests-I doubt its specifically Russian.
    Andrei, you need to take a chill-pill. No-one is out to get the Russians-everyone has forgotten the cold-war. THese people don't view Russians as animals (although they probably view young girls as animals)

    As for the Ukraine, I know if there was no demand, there would be no supply, and I don't know how the child-protection laws are in the Ukraine. But I would bet my last pence that it may be Ukrainian children who are more at risk because the people in official positions in that country are more worried about hanging onto power than tackling these issues. As you know I am not particularly an advocator of the US, but I believe they have strong child-protection laws and they act upon them. I believe it would be very difficult to run a child porn racket in the US compared to the Ukraine.
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    Hi mria...

    I think that this thread poses a valid question, and I think that the issue of the trend of illegal pornography, and the growth of child pornography in Russia, is an important issue for people to understand.

    Child pornography is a problem in the world, and addressing and discussing the issue is the way to solve the problem.

    Sufipoet
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    Khasyar,

    I didn't mean to sound sarcastic. As you can see from my answer, I took the topic very seriously, and I'd like to know the perspective of different people.
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    Just another thought. Those men typing "Lolita" might be adding "Russian" into the search engine as a reflex, because the original Lolita happened to be Russian.
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    Hi mria...

    I appreciate your positive contributions to the subject, as well as to the forum.

    I didn't realize that the original Lolita was Russian... (I'm happy that I learned something new :) )...

    That may be why there are so many searches for "Russian Lolita."

    Was the original Russian Lolita referenced from a book? Somewhere in the shallow of my mind, I recall a book entitled "Lolita."

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    Perhaps I just answered my own question from a Google search.

    In 1955, Vladimir Nabokov wrote a book called "Lolita."

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    Andrei, I never considered Russia as second class or the people any less than hard working, family oriented people. We Americans did have a stereotype of not so masculine women because of an incident in the Olympics where a woman athlete was actually a man. This happened when I was a child and I may have skewed the facts.

    Child porn is wrong, but the laws in Russia are also different than in the states. We can't control them either.

    Where are all the jobs for women? I have been told that to work in an office an attractive girl is required to sleep with her boss. Any truth to this or is it a rumor?

    In the US we have human rights and I am afreaid in some ways this is not an issue in FSU countries. Same with medical care and a few other things.

    Why do I hear the Russian police are corrupt? Because they are paid next to nothing?

    I think in a few years things will have to change if FSU is to have an identity in the world. The communist regime has ended where is the equality for all people?
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    Hello Panel,

    Porn has been around for many years but child porn must be stopped and why does google show theses sites.

    Regards,

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    Google shows all sites they don't discriminate. It is unfortunate they show the seedy sites too.
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    Pornography in the fsu

    This article gives overview of the the situation in the fsu

    http://www.ecpat.net/eng/Russia.asp

    The age of consent was raised to 16 in 2002 by the Russian Duma
    in oder to assist police officers to arrest peadophiles who went to russia specifically with the intention to abuse children .

    Clearly things have got to change - both the possession of images and the intention to abuse have to become offences in Russia before police will have enough evidence to bring about succesful prosecutions. Moreover , the Russian juges have to change thier attitude to this offence and penaltes must be imposed which send clear and unequivocal signals to all parts of the world that those who intend to abuse children will face long prison sentences - preferably in Siberia .

    I think several factors militate against success - these are

    - very few police are trained in computer forensics and in surveillance in order to collate and estblish clear and factual chains of evidence of an intention to abuse childen. Better training is needed .

    - under funding of the police services militates against succesful longterm action against this form of offence.

    - Russia needs a specialist police unit dedicated to investigating and prosecuting individuals who abuse or intend to abuse children
    The unit needs to have the the backing of the highest levels of the judiciary and it must have the teeth to act and to act quickly.

    - successful prosecution depends on the willingness of the victims to testify . There would appear to be no means to protect the anonymity of the victim whereas the abuser name is protected and often the abuser has access to resources to put up a legal defence which destoys the credibility of witnesses .
    The police and NGO need to work together with victims so that victims are able to tesify and are able to go through the ordeal of court with the knowledge that the truth will be heard in court.

    The fact that these images exist on the internet is appalling and
    individuals, professionals , the police , the judiciary need to start to move against those who would rob children of the jewel of thier innocence and in so doing rob Russia of her greatest wealth.
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    What makes you think that it is MEN who are doing these Internet searches? An awful lot of this is being done by teenagers and college kids. In the UK there have been some recent pedophile arrests of young men in their 20's.

    I'm not belittling the fact that some children are being exploited, but I hardly think that Internet search statistics are a valid way of measuring the magnitude of the problem. As others have noted, police do go after the real offenders and governments are changing legislation (in Russia, Thailand and elsewhere) to help the police do their job.

    Really now, if you folks are concerned about children in Russia you would do better to look into adopting a Russian orphan or donating to a project to build playgrounds or children's care facilities. Here is one list of places you can go to help:

    http://www.russianadoption.org/charity.htm

    Or go work in Russia as a volunteer http://www.crossculturalsolutions.org/russia/index.cfm
    and you will be sure to meet a nice woman in the process.
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    That's a very intelligent reply wavetossed. I've read through this thread for a while and found nothing worthy of replying to. It's just more of the same, cliche thoughts and reaction to 'child porn'.

    I wonder how many of these people so concerned about children actually helped an orphanage or adopted a child? Or spoken up about domestic child abuse violence? None, I'd say. Yet they are all concerned about protecting children from being photographed nude.

    Have we all forgotten our childhoods? Does one only become magically sexually aware at their eighteenth birthday?

    I for one, donate regularly to the orphanage in St. Petersburg and have serious plans on adopting an older child from there. Once children reach five or so, especially girls, they have almost zero chance of being adopted and only have a future of being thrown out at sixteen to become prostitutes and shipped off to the Middle East to be strippers.

    I will at least save one or two of them.

    Compare that to the internet crusaders who post complaint messages about Russian child porn sites that are little more than nude children, which by the way, is LEGAL even in the U.S. Child nudity is perfectly legal here. Don't believe me? Go rent "Pretty Baby' at Blockbuster among many others.

    The reason why there are so many google searches for Russian lolita and whatnot is that there is a demand for it. There are more adults attracted to children than most of us care to admit.

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    Kiddie porn/child sex is taken very seriously here in Australia. There are not many crimes that an Australian can commit overseas that will see him charged and imprisoned here in Australia, but that is one of them. Even in countries where sex with children is not illegal, it is still considered a crime here and the offender will be charged and jailed.

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