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Russian attitudes towards nudity.( I don't mean sex)

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    salvatore Contributing RMP Member
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    Hi all
    Just wondering how Russian culture treats the nude body. I have a European background where nudity is not taboo. I am used to European beaches where many of the women, young and old, are naked or topless. I have been to several nude beaches and love to be naked.
    I wonder if the attitude towards nudity is one of shame or if it is open and liberal. Again I am not talking about sex here. Just if it is shameful to be naked in general but particularly in public.
    Of course I know that the individual will have certain ideas but I would like tp speak in generalities here for the sake of understanding.
    Thanks in advance for taking the time to respond,
    Sal
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    Hi Salvatore,

    Welcome to the Russian Meeting Place.

    My impression is that Russians are generally more conservative about the human body than Europeans are.

    I wonder if there are any nudist beaches in Russia?

    Also, I am sure that Russian laws about nudity would reflect the Russian cultural belief about nudity.

    Please Let us know if you clarify this and receive an answer to your question.

    Sufipoet
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    Salvatore, my take is that they are much more liberal then americans. On several occasions when I took dates to dance clubs there was also strip tease as entertainment. It was a bit of a new experience for me. What are you to do? Look at the entertainment, talk with your date like nothing is happening. I tried a little of both. I've never been to nude beaches in either ukraine or russia but I'm not saying they aren't there.
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    Here is an interesting piece of recent news about nudity and Russian law (that implies that Russian law uses religion to define whether public nudity is appropriate or not) :

    Also, I want to point out that although Russians seem to be open to expressing sexuality and sensuality (for example, having strip tease dancing at some clubs), that this may not be the same as their beliefs about nudity.

    Although, some Russian condoms have nude breasts on them, whereas no American condoms do (the last time I checked) :)

    Sufipoet

    P.S... I am going to move this thread to the "Russian Culture" section of the forum.
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    Hi guys. I think the Russian attitude to nudity and sexuality in general is much more liberal than the US. They may not be as open about it as say the Europeans....but lets face it Russians arent as "publicly open about much at all". In OZ nudity is pretty much accepted ( we have had full frontal nudity on public TV since the early seventies ). I would be interested to know the situation in the UK.

    As per your article Sufipoet i believe the religious powers that be control a lot of what Americans ( and other countries) are allowed to find acceptable. :surfing:
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    We have nude beaches at some of the lakes in Texas. But you know what they say: most of the people who go to nude beaches probably shouldn't be walking around naked at a nude beach.

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    You are so right!

    Yes you are right of course! But it isn't as a voyeur that I go to those beaches. It's for a sense of freedom. And in Europe they aren't necessarily designated as nude beaches. People are just relaxed about nudity and that is refreshing. I was hoping that Russians and Ukrainians had the same attitude.
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    Well, I've travelled and I've travelled a lot. My generalised perceptions are such:

    UK - most people above the age of of maybe late 20s are actually fairly conservative in so far a public nudity. Perhaps conservative is not the right word.... I think "appropriate" is better. By this I mean everything at the right time in the right place... no problems with striptease (male or female), but not in front of the kids honey! Below 25, however, attitudes to sex, nudity, drugs and alcohol are liberal to the point of nearly debauched IMHO. On non-pay TV there is nudity and some sexual scenes, but after the 11pm watershed and not exactly pornographic in nature. With regards nudist beaches and other outdoor naked pursuits, yes they are widely accepted, but again they are in their place and often out of sight, out of mind.

    Europe - much more liberal towards the promotion of nudity and sexuality in public, mostly so in Germany, France, Italy, Holland and in some parts of Spain. The rules regarding pornography and the public displays of the sex trades (including TV porn) are far more relaxed although you won't find your typical European prancing around in the nuddy. Again, there are beaches and naked saunas, but they ARE a) advertised and segregated as such, and b) the locals know what is what. You need to be able to read the lingo however to avoid a pleasant (often unpleasant) surprise. WHilst not as conservative as the UK, in general, everything does have its own little slot in the bigger system and would not be widely accepted outside of it.

    US - publicly hidden, privately debauched and resented. Although, being a union of 50 (51? oops) mini-countries it's somewhat impossible to generalise. I do feel, however, that the overall feeling is one of confusion, since most people purport to believe in freedom of expression and the right to choose, but would prefer it to remain NIMBY (not in my back yard).

    Asia - eek..... where to start?? Outside of certain well known areas, publicly a big no-no!! The overriding attitude, however, is extremely sexist, i.e. it's a man's god-given right to see (and touch should he require) naked female flesh! In Japan, however, it is changing, whereby the younger generation sees it as a bit of fun, but they wouldn't want Daddy to see them looking at it.

    Russia - I've been here a while and I can't work it out. The female body is nothing to be ashamed about here, to the point of it sometimes being uncomfortable. Striptease in nearly ALL nightclubs is normal and the sex trade is thriving quite pubicly... you even see adverts on TV in SPb for new private banyas offering "erotik" massage. In the summer the clothes are almost to the point of offending my western concepts, but here no-one bats an eyelid to a group of teenage girls wandering around in bikini-style tops and ultra-mini skirts with G-strings underneath and showing!!! Bottom line is that there is too much of it around, so everything is diluted and eventually people switch off to it!! Two interesting comments from girls I've hung out with:

    In a club with striptease... "She's my favourite dancer! What do you think?"

    In an open-air bar... "Wow, she has an amazing figure! Look!"

    On the darker side, there is still, unfortunately, a predominantly sexist attitude to it. It's OK'ish for men to watch naked girls and (regularly) touch and pay, but a woman shouldn't. However, for those who think that Russian girls are good and Russian men are bad, beware the younger generation. Fuelled on a diet of everything bad about the West and starved of the cultural history that goes with it, there's a new generation of drugged-up, half-naked, promiscuous clubbers! It's not a particularly attractive side of life!!

    Please don't attack the generalisations, since that's what was asked for in the original post :)
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    PS. sorry to have linked nudity and sex in some parts of my post, but the do go hand-in-hand TBH
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    Plenty, but they are not advertised in a fear of freaks coming out of woodwork. As far as topless beaches go, they can be everywhere, even in the center of a city.

    There are no laws about nudity as far as I know.
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    Russia is a secular country, so Russian law does not use religion to define anything. The complaint was about violating religious beliefs not about nudity as it is. I don't think the publisher's lawyer will have any trouble appealing.
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    There is nothing new in this. I saw a lot of that in Ukraine in the 1980's. My husband tells me it was common in the 1970's, too, not only in Ukraine, but in Moscow and St. Petersburg. For example, there were places in all those cities people met for anonymous (heterosexual) sex - something that was confined to bars at least to my knowledge, and in my neck of the woods pretty minimal, at that.
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    Really bottom culture
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    To be continued

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    I've talked about this with my wife and from what I can tell attitudes differ from the larger cities to the smaller rural areas. My wife is from what she calls a small city and public nudity is frowned upon she says. On the other hand they do have their strip-clubs also.

    We were at a disco one night and the DJ was trying to encouage the girls to go topless for a prize (a lifetime pass for the nightclub). Only two were willing and did show their breasts. They crowd was mixed, the guys were cheering :eyespop: :handsclp: and the girls were laughing. The girls were laughing because they thought the two that stripped were stupid. As soon as the DJ picked a winner the two girls got dressed as fast as they could and you could see the red faces and ashame. They both left the nightclub straight away. We did not see them there again.

    I asked why the girls were laughing at the two girls..... the reply I got was because of what they had done they were considered no better than prostitutes.
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    Another model, she is not a prostitute.........

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    Nude magazines, sexshops, nude bars, striptease clubs, topless bading...all (almost) as normal as in Europe, and a lot more normal than in the States. Although the ladies don't walk around in their naked bums...sometimes in the summer I wonder why some of them bother to put that skirt on cause it's smaller than the underwear.......but I don't complain!
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    Do you like my nudes?
    At least they have good figures.......
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    If you google Нудизм и натуризм в России (Nudism and naturism in Russia) you will see there are many nudist/ naturist associations and organizations.

    For example:
    Nudist beaches in Crimea
    (in Russian) http://www.kandagar.com/pub/crimea/pub17.htm

    Russian Naturist Association "Telord" http://www.naturism.ru/

    Naturists
    http://www.myke.spb.ru/nn/index.par


    Russian nudists have their beaches; and the authorities do not bother them.

    Olga (Legal's wife)
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    I have only just seen this thread, thanks Olga for bringing it back to the for.

    Nudity (and sex even though the OP wasn't talking about it)in Russia is not as big a social issue as in America (in Australia its not a prob at all apart from you don't walk down the street naked).

    Like Olga suggested just use google and you will come up with alot of info, and I am not talking about porn sites either although there is plenty of them to.

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